笑怼外媒：别忘了香港全名叫“香港SAR”，特朗普在干傻事
编者按：被称为“与CNN抗衡”、“让美国几乎在全球信息战中败下阵来”（希拉里语）的今日俄罗斯电视台（RT）5月28日现场直播，专访中国人民大学重阳金融研究院执行院长王文，问及香港国安法等热点问题。相关信息是当日为数不多的在海外站在中国立场上说话的声音。人大重阳君把中英文问答整理如下：
《今日俄罗斯》主持人：现在有请今天的嘉宾，中国人民大学重阳金融研究院执行院长王文教授。欢迎您加入我们的节目，很高兴和您对话。现在香港有许多人认为，中国通过制定《香港特区维护国家安全法》，是在企图剥夺香港的基本自由。事实果真如此吗？
王文：我认为，每个大国都有自己的国家安全法，美国有、英国有、法国有，中国当然也应该有国家安全立法。香港是中国的一部分，你刚才所提到的香港国家安全法，正是这种弥补。它是在“一国两制”框架下制定，是对《香港基本法》的补充，不会影响香港的自由。但香港目前有些人并非是担心自由问题，而是不认同中国的体制，不认同中国对香港立法事权。这就是当前的基本情况。
主持人：那么从法律的角度来看，中央是否有权在香港实施该法律？
王文：哈哈，中央当然有权力。这个问题十分有趣。不要忘记香港的全称是“香港SAR”。什么意思？“香港特别行政区”！这意味着香港首先是中国的一个行政区。其次，才是“特别”。正如你所说的，1997年前香港是英国的殖民地，1997年后香港成为中国的特别行政区。所以这意味着中国有权维护国家安全。因此，香港特别行政区立法维护国家安全的问题，纯属中国内政，不应受到任何外国干涉。
主持人：一些批评人士认为，如果这项法案得以实施，它将被用来定罪抗议活动，比如香港去年的那些抗议活动。这种担忧是否合理？
王文：正如我刚才所说的，香港有大约三分之一的居民在20世纪60年代从大陆前往香港，他们不喜欢中国共产党的制度。所以不管中央做什么，他们都会反对。我相信香港的法律并不会影响他们的自由，但是如果他们像外国人一样危害国家安全，那么就必须受到国家法律的惩罚。
主持人：唐纳德·特朗普誓言要对该计划的立法做出强烈回应。美国与香港国安法有何关系？这是否被视为外国干涉？
王文：作为一个中国学者，我认为，特朗普政府干涉香港事务的做法是非常愚蠢的，这是典型的干涉他国内政，是对中国法律和主权的挑衅。很难想象，如果一个国家想要干涉夏威夷立法问题，白宫会做出怎样的反应？所以我劝美国人不要做这种傻事，我也建议某些香港人不要对美国人抱有新的希望。事实上，从中东、北非地区的视角看，叙利亚、伊拉克、利比亚等许多国家，美国的干预越多，其造成的混乱就越多。
主持人：我们看到在新冠肺炎疫情中，中美关系急转直下。你认为香港是否有可能成为中美冲突的战场？
王文：会，但也不会。什么意思呢？香港会成为中美两国博弈的一个公共舆论话题。但香港不会成为下一个阿富汗，不会像阿富汗一样因1980年代美苏冷战而成为新的战场。因为我相信，香港人终究是聪明的，能够解决这些问题。而且中国有能力在国内保护香港，维护国家安全。
主持人：谢谢中国人民大学重阳金融研究院执行院长王文教授，感谢您的宝贵时间。
王文院长即将发布新书《百年变局》
以下为采访英文版
Host: Well, let us bring in a guest now. We're joined by Wang Wen, the professor and executive dean of Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies at Renmin University of China. Welcome to the program. It is great to have you with us now. Many Hong Kongers are viewing that Beijing's decision to impose national security legislation is an attempt to strip away basic freedoms. Is that what's happening?
Wang Wen:I think thatevery big country has its own national security law. The United States has, Britain has, France has, so I think that China should has one. So Hong Kong is a part of China, as you've said, of course we need a national security law. This year is just a makeup, and this national security law is formulated under the framework of "One Country Two Systems". It is the supplement of Hong Kong Basic Law and does not affect Hong Konger's of freedom. So at present some people in Hong Kong are not worried about freedom, but do not recognize Chinese system, do not recognize China and Hong Kong legislation. So I think this is a basic current reality.
Host:So from a legal perspective, does Beijing have the authority to establish this law in Hong Kong?
Wang Wen: Of course. This question is very interesting.Firstly, don't forget that the full name of Hong Kong is Hong Kong SAR, which means Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.It means that Hong Kong is a region of China. Secondly, Hong Kong is very specialbecause, as you said, before 1997 Hong Kong was a colony of UK, and after 1997 Hong Kong became the special administrative region of China. So it always means the authority to safeguard a national security. So this issue of legislation on safeguarding national security in Hong Kong SAR is purely China internal affairs, which should not be interfered by any foreign country.
Host: Well, critics are saying that if this is implemented, it will be used to criminalize protests, like we've seen in Hong Kong over the past year. Are they right to be concerned about this?
Wang Wen:As I said that just now, in Hong Kong about one third of residents freed from the mainland to Hong Kong before 1960s, they don't like the communist party system. So no matter what Beijing does, they will oppose it. So I believe that the law of Hong Kong will not affect their freedom, but if they strike national security as a foreigner, so there is a nationally law to punish them.
Host: As Donald Trump vowed a strong response to the plan's legislation. What has the US got to do with the Hong Kong case and might this be seen as foreign interference?
Wang Wen:As a Chinese scholar,I think that it is a very foolish for Trump and his administration to interfere Hong Kong affairs, so this is a typical foreign intervention, a challenger to China's law and China's sovereignty. So it's very hard to imagine how the White House will react to Hawaii administration if a country want to interfere. So I advise Americans do not do such foolish things, I also asked some Hong Kong people do not have a new hope for Americans.In fact from the perspectives of many countries in Middle East and North Africa, Syria, Iraq, Libya, etc. the more United States' interference, the more chaotic their errors will be.
Host:We watched how US-China relations have plunged amid the pandemic. Do you think Hong Kong could become a potential battleground for these rivals?
Wang Wen: Yes, also no. What do I mean?Hong Kong will become a topic of public opinion in struggle between the two countries, between United States and China. But Hong Kong will not be a new Afghanistan in 1980s when the cold war between United States and Soviet Union made Afghanistan a new battlefield, as you said. So I believe that in the end, Hong Kong people are intelligent and can solve those problems. Also, China has an ability to protect a Hong Kong national security internally.
Host:Wang Wen, professor and executive dean of Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies at Renmin University of China. Thank you for your time.
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主办单位：
北京师范大学出版集团
中国人民大学重阳金融研究院
支持单位：
观视频工作室
系列研讨会一
时间：6月5日（周五）19:30-21:30
主持：著名电视主持人，郎永淳
致辞：北京师范大学出版集团副总编辑，饶涛
中国人民大学重阳金融研究院执行院长，王文
对话：
经济之变？
国务院发展研究中心世界发展研究所研究员，丁一凡
中国人民大学重阳金融研究院助理院长，
政势之变？
中国社会科学院政治学研究所党委书记，房宁
中国人民大学重阳金融研究院宏观研究部副研究员，王鹏
系列研讨会二
时间：6月6日（周六）19:30-21:30
对话：
数字之变？
中国科学院正高级工程师评委会主任，谢耘
中国人民大学重阳金融研究院宏观研究部主任，刘玉书
怎样的百年变局？
中国人民大学国际关系学院副院长，金灿荣
中国人民大学重阳金融研究院执行院长，王文
